Posts by THE GLADIATOR

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Are religionists and atheists on the same team?

by Fernando in

do they both lead people away from god?.

THE GLADIATOR

N.drew 'I do not believe all religionists and atheists are seeking truth. Especially the Jehovah's Witnesses. Their religion is all about quiting seeking because they put their trust in men who they believe have the truth.'

It may appear that way but many Jehovah's Witnesses are people who were susceptible to the Watchtower Society's version of truth because they were seeking truth. They joined believing they had found the truth. When the blind lead the blind they may both fall into the pit.

I have empathy for all sincere people who are unwittingly misled by false teachers. Jehovah's Witnesses that realize they have been duped can prove they are seekers of truth by leaving and continuing their search. I know from experience that this is not always easy to do and the cost can be high. It is a test of a person’s integrity to pursuing truth regardless of where that leads.

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Are religionists and atheists on the same team?

by Fernando in

do they both lead people away from god?.

THE GLADIATOR

Fernando‘Are religionists and atheists on the same team?’

‘Do they both lead people away from God? ’

Many religious people, although believing in God spend a great deal of time trying to define God to both themselves and others. Atheists are doing the same but refuse to believe until they have clarified what is meant by God and then found proof. It’s the difference between saving up and buying something of value or obtaining it with credit to avoid waiting. People often change sides as they discover new information.

We are all born, live as humans and we all die. None of us can be absolutely sure of our stance in this matter, or what we will end up believing. The similarities are greater than the differences. We are all seeking truth and can all help each other to broaden our perspective. Perhaps we are not on the same team, but we are on the same journey.

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Poetry and healing philosophy

by thecrushed in

i wrote these 2 poems soon after i found out that i had been under mind ctrl all my life along with my family as far back as i can remember.

i hope this gives someone solace because of its message of loving thru the pain.

hate can be a consuming thing and left unchecked can destroy us and everyone around us.

THE GLADIATOR

thecrushed Thanks for sharing your feelings. Krishnamurti was a great influence on me when I was looking for peace and meaning in life. He taught that enlightement and peace is obtainable in the here and now if we wake up.

Hope you find what you are looking for.

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IS GOD REAL? HOW DO YOU KNOW?

by still thinking in

jw
friends

this is an honest question on my part.

someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.

in fact, it was a turning point for me.

THE GLADIATOR

This is an amazingly long thread that has once again come to no definite conclusion regarding the question it posses. Scientists openly admit that they have not come to a conclusion about the origins of the universe. Religious people are vague about what ‘God’ actually is, and their beliefs are subject to change.

We are so far away from understanding the meaning of life and its origins that we will never know in our life time, or the lifetime of many future generations - even if they overlap!

As humans we can only look down at the ground or up at the sky; unless we toil in a laboratory. With such a limited perspective, I am content to spend my short time here exploring and enjoying this beautiful planet. I don’t want to know how we got here, where we are going, or what ‘God ‘means. Heaven can wait…

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Are you an athiest and why?

by LouBelle in

i'm interested in finding out people's reasons as to why they are athiest.. i have simply through life experience, my research into religions over the years come to that conclusion.

never thought i would come to a day that i did not believe in a god.

believing in a god is like believing in super man, it would be great if he existed but well it's just a fairy tale.

THE GLADIATOR

Thank you FlyingHighNow for you kind comments.

It is becauce I don't have all the answers that I walk a middle line. I alway enjoy your input.

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Are you an athiest and why?

by LouBelle in

i'm interested in finding out people's reasons as to why they are athiest.. i have simply through life experience, my research into religions over the years come to that conclusion.

never thought i would come to a day that i did not believe in a god.

believing in a god is like believing in super man, it would be great if he existed but well it's just a fairy tale.

THE GLADIATOR

cofty "One difference is that some of us are content to patiently follow the only method that works - the scientific method. Others like to pretend they know stuff that they don't and call it "spiritual."

I understand the point you are making. It can be frustrating to see people coming to conclusions based on faith instead of research; perhaps building a spiritual world based on what they hope is responsible for our existence. It can seem like they are taking a short cut.

Motive is sometimes more important than the deed. Spiritual belief and scientific optimism may not be as far apart, or as opposed as they can seem. If we alter our level of magnification and look from a distance the patterns are remarkably similar.

Expectation, hope, the desire to know, can cause us to rush to conclusions that then need to be amended. Both religion and science do this, though I do agree that science is more measured. Spirituality may contain a greater measure of emotion, then again emotion is not without value.

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Are You Ready for The Memorial?

by OnTheWayOut in

it's this week, folks.

i thought i might give you a new thread to vent on.

many on our forum still go to the memorial or have to answer to family about not going.

THE GLADIATOR

Armed and ready - I have obtained an ample supply of red wine in keeping with the importance of this occasion.

In fact - I have been rehearsing for some time. Cheers!

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Are you an athiest and why?

by LouBelle in

i'm interested in finding out people's reasons as to why they are athiest.. i have simply through life experience, my research into religions over the years come to that conclusion.

never thought i would come to a day that i did not believe in a god.

believing in a god is like believing in super man, it would be great if he existed but well it's just a fairy tale.

THE GLADIATOR

LouBelle

Like many here I do not believe in a personal God. That is not to say I have ruled out the possibility of invisible cosmic forces that are aware of the universe and existence.

I don’t feel the need to wear a label, such as Atheist, because it causes division. To me, regardless what beliefs we presently hold, we are all people seeking the truth of our existence and the origins of the universe. None of us have all the answers.

If God exists and has a set of morals that he expects men and women to live by, then he needs to scribble some up to date laws on some more stone tablets or get up to speed and learn to use a computer and the web, for Christ's sake!

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Calling all Atheists.

by mouthy in

jw
friends

i just had a message from my friend.. told me to tell you all.

he loves ya!!!!!

oh you dont know my friend??

THE GLADIATOR

I keep Jesus in a cage with my other gods. They are cared for and given bread and water every day, but this Jesus keeps turning the water into wine. What is it with him?

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How would atheists respond to this?

by Knowsnothing in

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/godreal.html.

british philosopher, dr. antony flew, has been a leading spokesperson for atheism, actively involved in debate after debate.

however, scientific discoveries within the last 30 years brought him to a conclusion he could not avoid.

THE GLADIATOR

After many years on this board, watching and participating in discussion, one thing has become apparent. No-one has come to a definite conclusion as to what a Christian actually is. There are so many shades of colour and belief systems covered by the word Christian, that just believing in love and disregarding most of the bible is enough to qualify. Many Christians now accept evolution to the shock of many fundamental American Christians. By this standard I ask - what actually is an atheist?

There are those that are adamant there is no God and never could be. Others say they simply don’t have enough evidence to believe in God but are open minded about the possibility. In other words they don’t know and are still seeking truth. Then there are those who are still asking what God actually means. Even believers have no unified agreement on God's nature or abilities Unlike the Greeks and Romans with 300 gods, most western believers are only one God away from being atheists. It seems that no-one actually knows for sure.

Recent scientific discoveries concerning the nature of matter, energy and anti-matter make us realise that we have so much still to learn. Science like Christianity is always adjusting it outlook and evolving. Perhaps the ancient eastern wisdom that predates Christ, had it all summed up when it stated that God is in all of us, all of nature and is the universe. Perhaps God cannot be understood or explained with words. Perhaps one day we will realize that so called atheists and Christians are singing from the same hymn sheet but some were more in tune than others!